Seems like it is always : java.awt.Insets[top=0,left=0,bottom=0,right=0] even with the toolbars active. Why doesn't this work like in windows? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/swing-dev/attachments/20100109/ab45b0a1/attachment.html>