Stacks, safepoints, snapshotting and GC
raell at web.de
raell at web.de
Mon May 25 13:13:41 UTC 2020
I just wanted to ask if there are concrete release plans for
concurrent thread scanning/root processing in ZGC?
On 7 January 2020 at 12:58:48, Per Liden wrote:
> While we're on this topic I thought I could mention that part of the
> plans to make ZGC a true sub-millisecond max pause time GC includes
> removing thread stacks completely from the GC root set. I.e. in such a
> world ZGC will not scan any thread stacks (virtual or not) during STW,
> instead they will be scanned concurrently.
> But we're not quite there yet...
> On 12/19/19 1:52 PM, Ron Pressler wrote:
>> This is a very good question. Virtual thread stacks (which are actually
>> continuation stacks from the VM’s perspective) are not GC roots, and so are
>> not scanned as part of the STW root-scanning. How and when they are scanned
>> is one of the core differences between the default implementation and the
>> new one, enabled with -XX:+UseContinuationChunks.
>> Virtual threads shouldn’t make any impact on time-to-safepoint, and,
>> depending on the implementation, they may or may not make an impact
>> on STW young-generation collection. How the different implementations
>> impact ZGC/Shenandoah, the non-generational low-pause collectors is yet
>> to be explored and addressed. I would assume that their current impact
>> is that they simply crash them :)
>> - Ron
>> On 19 December 2019 at 11:40:03, Holger Hoffstätte (holger at applied-asynchrony.com[https://mail.openjdk.java.net/mailman/listinfo/zgc-dev](mailto:holger at applied-asynchrony.com[https://mail.openjdk.java.net/mailman/listinfo/zgc-dev])) wrote:
>>> Quick question - not sure if this is an actual issue or somethign that has
>>> been addressed yet; pointers to docs welcome.
>>> How does (or will) Loom impact stack snapshotting and TTSP latency?
>>> There have been some amazing advances in GC with Shenandoah and ZGC recently,
>>> but their low pause times directly depend on the ability to quickly reach
>>> safepoints and take stack snapshots for liveliness analysis.
>>> How will this work with potentially one or two orders of magnitude more
>>> virtual thread stacks? If I understand correctly TTSP should only depend
>>> on the number of carrier threads (which fortunately should be much lower
>>> than in legacy designs), but somehow the virtual stacks stil need to be
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