Running into Allocation Stalls during class unloading

Wed Feb 3 14:10:59 UTC 2021

Hi Charlie,

Thank you for going over our case and for the recommendations. Increasing
the heap size or the number of ZGC threads is definitely something we can
try out.

I'm also trying to understand if the allocation stalls during the time of
class unloading is an expected occurrence. It's almost as if at that point
ZGC's entire focus is on class unloading and not clearing out the heap
which leads to that spike in heap and subsequent allocation stalls. Perhaps
class unloading and freeing heap are not concurrent themselves and ZGC is
able to do one or the other?

Regards,
Mary

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> Hi team,
>
> Our Production application runs on a 320G heap and uses ZGC with large
> pages enabled. We have not done any tuning and are using ZGC with defaults.
> Since upgrading to JDK 15.0.1 we've started to notice that once a day the
> app experiences allocation stalls (during peak hours) and this happens when
> there is a huge drop in the number of classes loaded. We have a bi-monthly
> release cycle and can see that the allocation stalls start small a business
> day after a  release and slowly increase as the week progresses.
>
> At the moment the app seems to be doing fine but it could escalate anytime
> by the looks of it. There is an increase in the app's response time as well
> at the same time and a small spike in heap which seem like side effects.
> Any pointers in terms of tuning would be much appreciated.
>
> The app currently always makes use of at least 200G of heap space which
> leaves a 37% head space for ZGC.
>
>
> Regards
> Mary
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> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 15:02:37 -0600
> From: charlie hunt <charlie.hunt at oracle.com>
> To: zgc-dev at openjdk.java.net
> Subject: Re: Running into Allocation Stalls during class unloading
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> Hi Mary,
>
> Thanks for reaching out.
>
> Since you are observing allocation stalls, there a couple options to
> consider.
>
> 1.) If you have CPU cycles available, you can increase the number of
> concurrent GC threads. You can see the default number ZGC is currently
> using by doing:? java -XX:+UseZGC -XX:+PrintFlagsFinal -version | grep
> -i concgcthreads.? Increasing the number of concurrent GC threads should
> allow ZGC to do its concurrent work before the Java heap space becomes
> exhausted resulting in allocation stalls. But, additional concurrent GC
> threads will use more CPU.
>
> 2.) Another option is to size the Java heap larger, if you have the
> available RAM on the system. By increasing the size of the Java heap,
> you also increase the time the concurrent GC threads can do their work
> to free space before exhausting Java heap space (which results in
> allocation stalls).
>
> 3.) Another option is profile the application and look for opportunities
> to reduce unnecessary object allocations. This will reduce the speed at
> which the Java heap fills that available free space and thus allows
> ZGC's concurrent GC threads to keep up and avoid allocation stalls.
>
> Fwiw, I tend to like the first two options better since I would rather
> see folks write their Java application(s) in their most natural form and
> let the JVM figure out how to best run the Java app.
>
> Also, as a general comment, having 37% head room for ZGC to operate is
> not a lot of space. Whether that is enough space largely depends on the
> application, i.e. its allocation rate, object lifetimes, amount live
> data in the Java heap, etc., and whether concurrent GC threads can keep
> up with the pace of allocations with the amount of Java heap space
> that's available.
>
> hths,
>
> charlie
>
> On 2/2/21 1:30 PM, Mary Sunitha Joseph wrote:
> > Hi team,
> >
> > Our Production application runs on a 320G heap and uses ZGC with large
> > pages enabled. We have not done any tuning and are using ZGC with
> defaults.
> > Since upgrading to JDK 15.0.1 we've started to notice that once a day the
> > app experiences allocation stalls (during peak hours) and this happens
> when
> > there is a huge drop in the number of classes loaded. We have a
> bi-monthly
> > release cycle and can see that the allocation stalls start small a
> business
> > day after a  release and slowly increase as the week progresses.
> >
> > At the moment the app seems to be doing fine but it could escalate
> anytime
> > by the looks of it. There is an increase in the app's response time as
> well
> > at the same time and a small spike in heap which seem like side effects.
> > Any pointers in terms of tuning would be much appreciated.
> >
> > The app currently always makes use of at least 200G of heap space which
> > leaves a 37% head space for ZGC.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Mary
>
>
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