Betterrev re-write in something that works

Daniel Bryant daniel.bryant at
Fri Sep 5 12:44:32 UTC 2014

Hi Martijn, all,

Play has unfortunately turned out to be a bit of a pain, but don't blame 
yourself for this Martijn, as several of us were involved in the decision.

With hindsight we probably should have applied the 'Matt Raible' 
approach for framework evaluation, and maybe we should have conducted a 
few more retrospectives along the way? Again though, this is a team 
effort, and therefore all of us are accountable for this...

My main experience is with Spring, but I'm liking the Java EE 7 stuff I 
have been playing around with, and so this migration sounds like a great 
idea. Hopefully we can see more at Hack the Tower :-)

Best wishes,


One positive is that converting to Java JEE going to make for a great 
chapter in the Betterrev success story :-)

On 30/08/2014 18:52, Martijn Verburg wrote:
> Drop Wizard might be - but I want to avoid the same issue we had with
> Play/Akka and its ecosystem - which is/was that developers struggled to
> pick up that stack as well as the core application itself.  I'm concerned
> that there's a few Red Bus factors, e.g. The build (me), knowledge of Play
> (sort of a couple of us), Akka (again a few). We've spent far to many hack
> days explaining the core tech as opposed to building functionality. I think
> if we want broader volunteer adoption we need to go with a more common dare
> I say it stds based stack.
> I've calmed down somewhat since nearly rage quitting on Friday ;-).  I'll
> give a move to Java EE 7 a go with Ben (he's recently done a project in
> anger on there, so combined with my JAva EE 6 javacountdown knowledge we
> should be able to port it).  I'll do this is in a separate branch of course
> and I may yet bravely return to the Play version (but since it's completely
> broken our CRUD with the latest release, colour me not so impressed).
> Hand on heart - I take the blame for this, it's the sort of tech evaluation
> that we preach which we didn't run ourselves for this project.
> Cheers,
> Martijn
> On 30 August 2014 11:15, Mani Sarkar <sadhak001 at> wrote:
>> Hi Martijn, Mario,
>> I'll be happy to help - lets chat at the next hackday if not before that
>> at the next LJC event.
>> @Martijn - are DropWizard or Spring-boot viable options ?
>> Cheers,
>> Mani
>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg at
>>> wrote:
>>> The project is on BitBucket - AdoptOpenJDK org, very happy to have
>>> volunteers - but I'll need a solid day with a Java EE person to port it
>>> first (I'm familiar enough with Java EE - but a migration is faster with
>>> an
>>> extra pair of eyes).
>>> Cheers,
>>> Martijn
>>> On 29 August 2014 18:25, Mario Torre <neugens.limasoftware at>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On monday I'll go to visit my university, perhaps I can find somebody
>>>> interested in helping out, seems like a fun project.
>>>> <lazy-mode>
>>>> Can you share the link again?
>>>> </lazy-mode>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Mario
>>>> Il 29/ago/2014 18:50 "Martijn Verburg" <martijnverburg at> ha
>>>> scritto:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> The Play/Scala/Akka/Scala Templating architecture has brought us much
>>> pain
>>>>> and suffering for very little gain.  Add to that TypeSafe's attitude of
>>>>> breaking everything on each minor upgrade is making me thing about a
>>> port
>>>>> to Java EE.
>>>>> Are there any Java EE proficient folks on this list that can help me
>>> port
>>>>> our existing project over?
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Martijn
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