G1 heap growth very aggressive in spite of low heap usage
peter.schuller at infidyne.com
Mon Mar 22 19:27:02 UTC 2010
> Yes, right now G1 expands the heap a bit too aggressively. It checks the
> overall GC overhead and, if it's higher than the goal, it'd expand the heap
> hoping that it will reach the required GC overhead (typically, the larger
> the heap, the lower the GC overhead).
Interesting. Looking at G1CollectorPolicy::expansion_amount(), this
seems to be determined by average pause time ratio.
Based on my understanding of G1, it seems to me that this would be
fundamentally prone to "false positives". What can happen, and seems
to happen in this case, is that purely young GC:s end up triggering
heap growth. This is in spite of the young generation / region count
being determined by the desired pause time (normally) rather than any
lack of heap space.
I don't know what G1 does if there is too little free heap for the
preferred amount of young generation regions, but I would expect that
the primary effect of increasing heap size, in terms of GC overhead,
would be that of:
(1) Decreasing the frequency of concurrent marks and the overhead
associated with it.
(2) Increasing the pay-off of partial GC:s after such a mark, due to
(presumably) a larger average free ratio in selected regions.
But under normal circumstances, when not actually running out of heap
space, would this policy every be expected to be effective in any
significant percentage of cases?
While I can understand that spending too much time on GC means you
want to cut down on GC overhead *in general*, there seems to me to be
a very weak relation between the cost of non-young evacuations
(directly and indirectly through marking) and the cost of the young
If there is an excessive cost to young generation collections due to
excessive promotion into old generations, would not that rather be an
indication that the pause time goal and desired GC overhead are simply
incompatible given the workload of the application?
If so, a way out might be to accept the added overhead (but perhaps
provide diagnostic feedback).
Increasing the young generation size in an attempt to increase
efficiency at the detriment of collection pause time could be an
option, but it would only work if the application exhibits behavior
consistent with the generational hypothesis, so is not a very safe
bet. Probably in an ideal world this would be a knob (which to
Ideally, maybe heap expansion would primarily be triggered by high
cost of non-young collections. However I also understand that it is
difficult to impossible to measure the overhead of concurrent marking,
even if the cost of non-young region evacuations could be measured.
Another observation is that it may be advantageous to only expand the
heap when an allocation rate fails (as a result of
G1CollectedHeap::expand_and_allocate() perhaps?), or at least not
until the lack of heap space is in some way affecting the cost of
young generation collections (or e.g. at the start of concurrent
marking where we expect to start incurring costs associated with the
heap size being too small).
> I'd guess that any micro benchmark
> that tries to stress the GC (i.e., do a lot of allocations, not much else)
> would cause G1 to expand the heap aggressively, given that such benchmarks
> typically do mostly GC and not much else (can't tell whether this is the
> case for your test as you don't have -XX:+PrintGCTimeStamps enabled to see
> how close together the GCs are).
Yes, but this also highlights, I think, an issue with the ratio of
time spent since it specifically does not take into account the
allocation rate of the mutator. For non-young evacuation and
concurrent marking cost that would likely not matter since a larger
heap would always lead to better throughput (and greater GC
efficiency), but because the logic is applied also based on the cost
of young generation collections the effects on heap size are probably
likely to be very non-expected for any application that has temporary
bursts of allocation (which I think is very much realistic even in
On time stamps: I can provide a sample runt with PrintGCTimeStamps,
but the short answer is that they happened relatively frequently
(several times per second) and the growth exhibited was not preceeded
by a concurrent mark or non-young evacuations.
> Setting the max heap size with -Xmx will control how much G1 will expand the
Understood. However for general-purpose use I am very interested in
seeing the JVM self-regulate it's memory use in such a way that a
non-developer can look at the memory use of a JVM (or for that matter
the heap free/total:s) and draw some kind of reasonable ballpark
conclusion on memory demands.
Currently one can fairly easily trigger extreme heap growth to the
point of multiple orders of magnitude. And since concurrent marking
and non-young evacuations won't happen until the heap size is
significantly exhausted, that effectively means that your program may
end up seemingly "needing" orders of magnitude more memory than what
it actually does.
/ Peter Schuller
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