JPMS (JSR 376) EG video conference: Thursday 18 May, 15:00 UTC

David M. Lloyd david.lloyd at
Wed May 17 20:20:53 UTC 2017

On 05/17/2017 03:18 PM, mark.reinhold at wrote:
> 2017/5/17 11:33:50 -0700, david.lloyd at
>> On 05/17/2017 01:18 PM, mark.reinhold at wrote:
>>> ...
>>> As I wrote in my reply to Tim nearby, my request that EG members refrain
>>> from participating in public fora is in response to the suggestion made
>>> by some JCP EC members that direct discussions amongst EG members will
>>> be more productive than indirect discussions via public e-mail messages,
>>> articles, and blog entries.  EG members are of course free to discuss
>>> JPMS and Java SE 9 issues as needed on a private basis with colleagues,
>>> users, and customers, and to discuss unrelated topics publicly.
>>> If you cannot agree to this request then as an alternative, and if
>>> everyone else who wants to participate agrees, we could hold a single
>>> marathon meeting starting at 15:00 UTC any day this week or next.
>>> What is your preference?
>> Please allow me to clarify what you are asking.
>> Are you saying that, from this moment forward, no technical discussion
>> about JPMS or Java SE 9 will allowed, under threat of effective eviction
>> from the EG, by any EG member (including Oracle) or any of their
>> (possibly thousands of) employees, in any public forum?  Or are you
>> merely talking about the experts and not their coworkers?
> I don't see much point in trying to negotiate legalistic rules around
> all of this.
> I'm simply asking that, in the spirit of the suggestion made by members
> of the JCP EC, members of this EG and their colleagues exercise good
> professional judgement.  Let's limit our discussions to these meetings
> for the duration, rather than to a confusing mix of private meetings and
> public e-mail messages, and let's agree not to attempt to influence the
> discussions from outside via public channels.

OK, in that case I think we are in agreement, thanks.


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