Announcing: valhalla-spec-experts group

Paul Benedict pbenedict at
Tue Dec 15 15:11:41 UTC 2015

Brian, since you already know who is on the EG, why not grant write
permissions to them only, and the rest allowed to be subscribale? Or does
mailman not allow those types of controls?


On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Brian Goetz <brian.goetz at> wrote:

> Several people tried to subscribe to valhalla-spec-experts, and were
> surprised to get rejected.  So let me clarify what's going on.
> The valhalla-spec-experts list is publicly READABLE, but not publicly
> SUBSCRIBABLE -- the membership is limited.  Now, lots of folks are
> interested in subscribing not as members of the EG, but to get updates on a
> timely basis without polling the archives, which is totally reasonable.
> For lambda, we had a lambda-spec-observers list which received copies of
> the traffic to lambda-spec-experts.  We plan to do the same for valhalla,
> we just haven't yet gone through the administrative work to do so (and I'd
> rather make some technical progress this week than futz with mailing list
> provisioning.)  So it will take some time to get the -observers and
> -comments lists up and running.  So please be patient!
> On 12/14/2015 3:07 PM, Brian Goetz wrote:
>> It's time to take the next step in Valhalla's evolution.  Accordingly,
>> I've created the valhalla-spec-experts list, which will be the precursor to
>> an eventual JCP Expert Group, and will operate under the JCP-friendly ToU.
>> This list is publicly archived in the obvious place, and the initial
>> membership includes both corporate participation (Oracle, IBM, Red Hat,
>> Jetbrains, Google) and individuals from the OpenJDK community.
>> As was the case when we formed the Lambda experts list, the role of
>> valhalla-dev should now revert to its intended purpose, which is to discuss
>> the *implementation* of Valhalla in OpenJDK. Examples of appropriate
>> discussion topics for valhalla-dev include:
>> - Bug reports
>> - Code review comments
>> - Test cases
>> - Build or porting problems
>> - Migration experiences for your own code
>> What we are trying to avoid is: having design discussions play out
>> concurrently in multiple places with differing sets of players. So please,
>> we ask that you exercise restraint in commenting on active EG discussions
>> -- as design decisions start to converge, we'll announce them here, and of
>> course the primary place for implementation will remain the valhalla
>> repositories.
>> Please remember that EG discussions often happen at a different pace than
>> in other open-source projects.  Days can go by without a response, but this
>> doesn't mean that the EG is not thinking about it, doesn't care, or is
>> "stumped".  Often it simply means the EG members are working privately (or
>> with their teams) to figure out what their position is, and will respond
>> when they've thought about it more.  So, please let those discussions play
>> out.

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