Announcing: valhalla-spec-experts group

kirk.pepperdine at kirk.pepperdine at
Tue Dec 15 15:21:16 UTC 2015

I think that once you are subscribed you can email the list. I’m very much interested in observing but since I don’t have anything useful to add, I’d stay quiet.. but not everyone would. It’s a fine line to balance between stifling the discussion and not being distracted by endless discussions. Lets give Brian the benefit of his position on this one.


> On Dec 15, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Paul Benedict <pbenedict at> wrote:
> Brian, since you already know who is on the EG, why not grant write
> permissions to them only, and the rest allowed to be subscribale? Or does
> mailman not allow those types of controls?
> Cheers,
> Paul
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Brian Goetz <brian.goetz at> wrote:
>> Several people tried to subscribe to valhalla-spec-experts, and were
>> surprised to get rejected.  So let me clarify what's going on.
>> The valhalla-spec-experts list is publicly READABLE, but not publicly
>> SUBSCRIBABLE -- the membership is limited.  Now, lots of folks are
>> interested in subscribing not as members of the EG, but to get updates on a
>> timely basis without polling the archives, which is totally reasonable.
>> For lambda, we had a lambda-spec-observers list which received copies of
>> the traffic to lambda-spec-experts.  We plan to do the same for valhalla,
>> we just haven't yet gone through the administrative work to do so (and I'd
>> rather make some technical progress this week than futz with mailing list
>> provisioning.)  So it will take some time to get the -observers and
>> -comments lists up and running.  So please be patient!
>> On 12/14/2015 3:07 PM, Brian Goetz wrote:
>>> It's time to take the next step in Valhalla's evolution.  Accordingly,
>>> I've created the valhalla-spec-experts list, which will be the precursor to
>>> an eventual JCP Expert Group, and will operate under the JCP-friendly ToU.
>>> This list is publicly archived in the obvious place, and the initial
>>> membership includes both corporate participation (Oracle, IBM, Red Hat,
>>> Jetbrains, Google) and individuals from the OpenJDK community.
>>> As was the case when we formed the Lambda experts list, the role of
>>> valhalla-dev should now revert to its intended purpose, which is to discuss
>>> the *implementation* of Valhalla in OpenJDK. Examples of appropriate
>>> discussion topics for valhalla-dev include:
>>> - Bug reports
>>> - Code review comments
>>> - Test cases
>>> - Build or porting problems
>>> - Migration experiences for your own code
>>> What we are trying to avoid is: having design discussions play out
>>> concurrently in multiple places with differing sets of players. So please,
>>> we ask that you exercise restraint in commenting on active EG discussions
>>> -- as design decisions start to converge, we'll announce them here, and of
>>> course the primary place for implementation will remain the valhalla
>>> repositories.
>>> Please remember that EG discussions often happen at a different pace than
>>> in other open-source projects.  Days can go by without a response, but this
>>> doesn't mean that the EG is not thinking about it, doesn't care, or is
>>> "stumped".  Often it simply means the EG members are working privately (or
>>> with their teams) to figure out what their position is, and will respond
>>> when they've thought about it more.  So, please let those discussions play
>>> out.

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