Announcing: valhalla-spec-{observers,comments}

[Martijn Verburg]

Apologies for the delay - the page has now been sent, I imagine it will be
up early next week.

Cheers,
Martijn

On 14 January 2016 at 00:45, Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> I'll get an updated page sent to Brian shortly - it needs someone with
> access to the webserver to change the pages there.
>
> Cheers,
> Martijn
>
> On 14 January 2016 at 01:22, Richard Warburton <
> richard.warburton at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> As promised, we've now set up the additional mailing lists,
>> > valhalla-spec-observers and valhalla-spec-comments.  Here are the
>> details.
>> >
>> > valhalla-spec-observers at openjdk.java.net is open to anyone to
>> subscribe,
>> > and subscribers may post to it.  Traffic from valhalla-spec-experts is
>> > automatically forwarded to valhalla-spec-observers.  This list is
>> primarily
>> > intended so that people can follow the EG list traffic easily, and also
>> for
>> > people to have discussions within the -observers community.
>> >
>> > The primary means for the community to provide feedback into the design
>> > and specification discussion is valhalla-spec-comments. Periodically,
>> > comments from the -comments list will be "read into the record" on the
>> > -experts list, where the EG can discuss the issue raised if it wants.
>> But
>> > with this access comes responsibility!  Specifically, a post to
>> -comments
>> > should be well-reasoned, self-contained, and focused on a single issue
>> (as
>> > well as clear and polite, of course).  Think of it as a suggestion box;
>> we
>> > guarantee that it will be seen by the EG, but if you want it to be taken
>> > seriously by the EG, put some time and effort into making your point
>> clear
>> > argument.
>> >
>> > Note that -comments *cannot* be subscribed to; it can only be posted to.
>> > (The reason for this is simple; having discussions on this list, which
>> is
>> > inevitable were it subscribable, would defeat the purpose.)  The
>> postings
>> > are archived, and their content (if appropriate) will eventually show
>> up on
>> > the EG list.  Postings are archived, and moderated to manage spam and
>> > otherwise inappropriate content.
>> >
>> > On 12/14/2015 3:07 PM, Brian Goetz wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's time to take the next step in Valhalla's evolution.  Accordingly,
>> >> I've created the valhalla-spec-experts list, which will be the
>> precursor to
>> >> an eventual JCP Expert Group, and will operate under the JCP-friendly
>> ToU.
>> >> This list is publicly archived in the obvious place, and the initial
>> >> membership includes both corporate participation (Oracle, IBM, Red Hat,
>> >> Jetbrains, Google) and individuals from the OpenJDK community.
>> >>
>> >> As was the case when we formed the Lambda experts list, the role of
>> >> valhalla-dev should now revert to its intended purpose, which is to
>> discuss
>> >> the *implementation* of Valhalla in OpenJDK. Examples of appropriate
>> >> discussion topics for valhalla-dev include:
>> >>
>> >> - Bug reports
>> >> - Code review comments
>> >> - Test cases
>> >> - Build or porting problems
>> >> - Migration experiences for your own code
>> >>
>> >> What we are trying to avoid is: having design discussions play out
>> >> concurrently in multiple places with differing sets of players. So
>> please,
>> >> we ask that you exercise restraint in commenting on active EG
>> discussions
>> >> -- as design decisions start to converge, we'll announce them here,
>> and of
>> >> course the primary place for implementation will remain the valhalla
>> >> repositories.
>> >>
>> >> Please remember that EG discussions often happen at a different pace
>> than
>> >> in other open-source projects.  Days can go by without a response, but
>> this
>> >> doesn't mean that the EG is not thinking about it, doesn't care, or is
>> >> "stumped".  Often it simply means the EG members are working privately
>> (or
>> >> with their teams) to figure out what their position is, and will
>> respond
>> >> when they've thought about it more.  So, please let those discussions
>> play
>> >> out.
>> >
>> >
>> Thanks for taking the time to setup these mailing lists. I think it would
>> help people who are beginning to look at project Valhalla to have links to
>> both spec-observers and spec-comments on the main valhalla project page.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>>   Richard Warburton
>>
>>   http://insightfullogic.com
>>   @RichardWarburto <http://twitter.com/richardwarburto>
>>
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