Project proposal: fbtoolkit

Phil Race Phil.Race at Sun.COM
Thu May 24 04:25:52 UTC 2007

Tom Marble wrote:
> Phil Race wrote:
>> I don't follow what this has to do with Swing. 2D would be more affected ..
>> Swing is ignorant of whether the Motif or X toolkit is specified
>> and even works with the headless toolkit.
>> Also the existing toolkits can still leverage all of the
>> same internal 2D native code for rendering. I don't see where
>> you are going to get that from unless if its going to be
>> a pure Java solution.
> Please note that following the Projects guidelines followups are
> intended to go to the discuss list [1].

Thats a broken process. It should go to affected groups.
Any assumption that every one reads or even knows about 'discuss'  is  
wrong and for ever will be.

> I confess I am not a client or graphics expert.  I can appreciate
> the advantages, however, of device emulation and multiple-head
> clone outputs/inputs, etc.  If Swing is less appropriate than 2D
> then perhaps 2D would be a more appropriate Group to sponsor this
> Project?

So does it really  make sense to propose a project you think is a cool 
idea you don't understand and then disappear?
I think proposals should come only from someone who is committed to the 
idea and will work on it.

> Allow me to clarify, as well, that the purpose of this project
> is experimental and for prototyping.  Think of this as a KSL [2]
> style Project that should be associated with the appropriate
> Group (i.e. 2D or AWT).  Obviously such a Project, if approved, would
> need a VCS "sandbox" as described in [1]: "Projects that are not
> tightly related to the development of JDK 7 will, for now, also be
> given a regular project within the OpenJDK Community."
> Can we get a Group sponsor?

I don't think we have a clue what sponsorship means.  It certainly can't 
mean in  this case any
work from Sun engineers ( wish we had time for such ideas ourselves), or 
taking it back into openjdk
in any time in the forseeable future.

It just seems like an  interesting expt  this time, with  unproven  
practical applications.


> --Tom
> [1]
> [2]

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