IRC logging of #openjdk

Andrew John Hughes gnu_andrew at
Thu Jul 31 14:35:30 UTC 2008

On 31/07/2008, Mark Wielaard <mark at> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>  On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 01:18 +0200, Brian Matzon wrote:
>  > I realize that some people do not like logs being published, which is
>  > why I wanted to confirm this before publishing anything.
>  >
>  > This is a personal project and hold no commercial interest. The logs
>  > are exportable.
> I wouldn't mind logging when there are official meetings on irc.

Agreed, as long as this is clearly announced with the meeting and
terminates at the meeting's conclusion.

But as
>  far as I can tell the #openjdk irc room is just a social channel. More
>  like a water cooler where hackers come and go and exchange random
>  stories about daily life. Personally I would avoid the random chatter
>  (that I really enjoy a lot) if I would know that the channel was
>  systematically logged and publicly published

Same goes for me.  We've been treating #openjdk in the same manner as
#classpath on FreeNode (sometimes I even miss the difference...).
This wasn't immediate but happened over time as people started working
on IcedTea.  I for one would revert to #classpath for most use if
#openjdk was logged.

 (yes, I know there are
>  probably people who keep logs of the channel anyway, but at least I know
>  they will not arbitrarily publish the publicly without asking for
>  permission first).

FWIW, I do have my own private logs of the channels for my own use,
which have occasionally come in useful (this is rare, maybe 2-3 times
over 4 years, and it's usually for a useful URL).  Most of the time I
forgot I'm logging.  This doesn't mean I agree with a brute-force
log-everything approach and I'd never make such logs public without
permission of all involved.

>  In general if people feel the chatter on #openjdk is so important that
>  it should be shared more, then maybe we can ask people to summarize on
>  the mailinglist. But as far as I know this already happens because
>  decisions should be made publicly on the mailinglist.

If something is missed through conversation on IRC, this is a fault of
those involved.  The conversation should be summarised on the mailing
list if useful and the end decision taken there.  This has been our
general policy so far.

>  I believe there is another channel, that is more formal
>  #open-source-java we might make that the officially logged channel that
>  people can move to whenever they want to discuss anything "official"
>  that should be logged? But if it is so official then it should just be
>  posted on the mailinglist imho.

We could have that channel as a formal logged meetings channel, though
I'd prefer it be called #free-java ;)

>  Cheers,
>  Mark

Andrew :-)

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