prerelase of icedtea-web 1.8
Lars Herschke
lhersch at dssgmbh.de
Thu Mar 7 13:37:31 UTC 2019
forgot patch
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Lars Herschke
Data-Service GmbH
Beethovenstraße 2a
23617 Stockelsdorf
Amtsgericht Lübeck, HRB 318 BS
Geschäftsführung: Wilfried Paepcke, Dr. Andreas Longwitz,
Dr. Uwe Szyszka, Dr. Hans-Martin Rasch
Tel. (0451) 49 00-188
Fax. (0451) 49 00-123
e-mail: lhersch at dssgmbh.de
Lars Herschke schrieb:
> So, here is the new patch.
>
> This patch tries to get JavaHome out of the registry with the following
> priosrization.
>
> - JRE 1.8
> - JDK 1.8
> - max JDK >= 9
> - JDK 1.8
> - max JDK >= 9
> - max JRE >= 9 (only 9 or 10 possible)
> - max JDK < 1.8
> - max JRE < 1.8
>
> The highest minor version within the major version is always preferred.
>
> In addition, the method find_jre checks with this patch whether it makes
> sense to append the jre directory.
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
> Lars Herschke
>
> Data-Service GmbH
> Beethovenstraße 2a
> 23617 Stockelsdorf
> Amtsgericht Lübeck, HRB 318 BS
> Geschäftsführung: Wilfried Paepcke, Dr. Andreas Longwitz,
> Dr. Uwe Szyszka, Dr. Hans-Martin Rasch
> Tel. (0451) 49 00-188
> Fax. (0451) 49 00-123
> e-mail: lhersch at dssgmbh.de
>
>
> Lars Herschke schrieb:
>> Hi Jiri.
>>
>>>> - in addition I was unable to verify against jdk8. The ojdkbuild of jdk8 never put anything into
>>>> "my" registry.
>>
>> This can be selected and deselected in the installer. That's why I'm
>> testing JAVA_HOME and PATH so hard.
>>
>> I am currently testing a new version of my patch. I hope to be able to
>> make it available today.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>
>> Lars Herschke
>>
>> Data-Service GmbH
>> Beethovenstraße 2a
>> 23617 Stockelsdorf
>> Amtsgericht Lübeck, HRB 318 BS
>> Geschäftsführung: Wilfried Paepcke, Dr. Andreas Longwitz,
>> Dr. Uwe Szyszka, Dr. Hans-Martin Rasch
>> Tel. (0451) 49 00-188
>> Fax. (0451) 49 00-123
>> e-mail: lhersch at dssgmbh.de
>>
>>
>> Jiri Vanek schrieb:
>>> Hi Again.
>>>
>>> Attached is the workig version of my patch from yesterday.
>>>
>>> I realised that my approach requires: java_registry_path("SOFTWARE\\JavaSoft\\JDK\\11.0.2")
>>> - note the security number. This it is no go.
>>> - in addition I was unable to verify against jdk8. The ojdkbuild of jdk8 never put anything into
>>> "my" registry.
>>>
>>> From what I seen, your patch is ok with jdk11,12 and onwards untill the registry changes again, right?
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>> On 3/6/19 6:47 PM, Lars Herschke wrote:
>>>>> What are the regQuery and RegEnumKeyExW for?
>>>>
>>>> RegQueryInfoKeyW gives me the number of subkeys, so I can get directly
>>>> the last subkey with RegEnumKeyExW.
>>>>
>>>>> I do tt see versions in the query.. What is the pooled order? SHould be
>>>>> jre8->jdk8->jdk11->jdkAnythingElse
>>>>
>>>> I try to get Java in the following order.
>>>>
>>>> - latest pre JMPS-JRE
>>>> - latest pre JMPS-JDK
>>>> - latest JMPS-JDK
>>>> - latest JMPS-JRE
>>>>
>>>> I always try to get the latest Java, favoring the pre JPMS Java.
>>>> However, so I may prefer a Java 7 to a Java 11.
>>>>
>>>>>> Do you mind to comapre with mine patch? (and honestly say that it is garbage and yours is more
>>>>>> bulletproof - I do not expect more)
>>>>
>>>> I dont't understand on your patch, how jdkX_registry_path,
>>>> jreX_registry_path and jdk11plus_registry_path should work. There is no
>>>> JavaHome-key on these levels.
>>>>
>>>>>> I disagree with Your change to JAVA_HOME and PATH - because it can already be jre. On contrary, if
>>>>>> it si jdk, then it is already valid. HAve that part bitten you somewhere?
>>>>
>>>> You are right, but on Windows, JAVA_HOME is only set by ojdkbuild and
>>>> this set JAVA_HOME to his jdk root-directory. Oracle-Java don't set
>>>> JAVA_HOME, but writes registry keys ever.
>>>> The PATH is set from ojdkbuild to [jdk-root]\bin, so my changes also
>>>> works. The PATH from Oracle-Java is complete outside the java directory
>>>> (C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Oracle\Java\javapath). In this path
>>>> you will not find any library.
>>>> Everything said so far, only applies to Java 8. As of Java 9, there is
>>>> no more jre directory around jdk.
>>>> In the end, you can not know if PATH or JAVA_HOME is a jdk or a jre,
>>>> without checking it.
>>>> It did not bother me, I just tried to be more compatible with the
>>>> standard installations under windows
>>>> Last but not least, the method is called find_jre.:-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>>>
>>>> Lars Herschke
>>>>
>>>> Data-Service GmbH
>>>> Beethovenstraße 2a
>>>> 23617 Stockelsdorf
>>>> Amtsgericht Lübeck, HRB 318 BS
>>>> Geschäftsführung: Wilfried Paepcke, Dr. Andreas Longwitz,
>>>> Dr. Uwe Szyszka, Dr. Hans-Martin Rasch
>>>> Tel. (0451) 49 00-188
>>>> Fax. (0451) 49 00-123
>>>> e-mail: lhersch at dssgmbh.de
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jiri Vanek schrieb:
>>>>> On 3/6/19 5:16 PM, Lars Herschke wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> attached a new separate windows registry patch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wou. Interesting approach. As you had not replied if you will elaborate on it, I had in meantime
>>>>> did simialr patch (attached, not tested, literally just finished writing right now, and started to
>>>>> warm up windows VM) - absed on yours, jsut with the pooling of registry.
>>>>>
>>>>> My patch looks a bit more rustlike - especailly it uses chain of match instead of loop, and TBH I
>>>>> do not understand half of yours :)
>>>>> What are the regQuery and RegEnumKeyExW for?
>>>>> I do tt see versions in the query.. What is the pooled order? SHould be
>>>>> jre8->jdk8->jdk11->jdkAnythingElse
>>>>> Do you mind to comapre with mine patch? (and honestly say that it is garbage and yours is more
>>>>> bulletproof - I do not expect more)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I disagree with Your change to JAVA_HOME and PATH - because it can already be jre. On contrary, if
>>>>> it si jdk, then it is already valid. HAve that part bitten you somewhere?
>>>>>
>>>>> Really thanx!
>>>>> J.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lars Herschke
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Data-Service GmbH
>>>>>> Beethovenstraße 2a
>>>>>> 23617 Stockelsdorf
>>>>>> Amtsgericht Lübeck, HRB 318 BS
>>>>>> Geschäftsführung: Wilfried Paepcke, Dr. Andreas Longwitz,
>>>>>> Dr. Uwe Szyszka, Dr. Hans-Martin Rasch
>>>>>> Tel. (0451) 49 00-188
>>>>>> Fax. (0451) 49 00-123
>>>>>> e-mail: lhersch at dssgmbh.de
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jiri Vanek schrieb:
>>>>>>> On 3/5/19 2:29 PM, Lars Herschke wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ok. Then I would suggest the following steps:
>>>>>>>>> - Does it have sense to check both jre and jsk keys? jre first, and jdk as fallback? If not, then
>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with ou jre from registy patch. Do you mind to post it as separate patch? In both cases
>>>>>>>>> (jre->jdk fallback, jre search only) I will push for you asap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you plan to check more than one regkey than you should check in the
>>>>>>>> following order.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\Java Runtime Environment
>>>>>>>> 2. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\Java Development Kit
>>>>>>>> 3. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\JDK
>>>>>>>> 4. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft\JRE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. for the last pre-JPMS-jre (max Java 9)
>>>>>>>> 2. for the last pre-JPMS-jdk (max Java 8)
>>>>>>>> 3. for the last JPMS-jdk ( Java 11+)
>>>>>>>> 4. for the last JPMS-jre (max Java 10)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Starting with Java 11 you have to check the jdk first, because there is
>>>>>>>> nor jre anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you willing to code that? I would promiss you a beer on fosdem :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lars Herschke
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Data-Service GmbH
>>>>>>>> Beethovenstraße 2a
>>>>>>>> 23617 Stockelsdorf
>>>>>>>> Amtsgericht Lübeck, HRB 318 BS
>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführung: Wilfried Paepcke, Dr. Andreas Longwitz,
>>>>>>>> Dr. Uwe Szyszka, Dr. Hans-Martin Rasch
>>>>>>>> Tel. (0451) 49 00-188
>>>>>>>> Fax. (0451) 49 00-123
>>>>>>>> e-mail: lhersch at dssgmbh.de
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jiri Vanek schrieb:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/19 1:54 PM, Lars Herschke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jiri.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering why the acinclude hunk is necessary - Do you intend to ship..or whatever custom
>>>>>>>>>>>> itw-binaries built on windows? The build is the only thing I do seriously on windows, and thus I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering why I had never needed it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have installed my jdk direct in windows and not inside cygwin. So my
>>>>>>>>>> path inside cygwin is /cygdrive/c/Program\
>>>>>>>>>> Files/ojdkbuild/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.201-1. This path isn't found by
>>>>>>>>>> configure without jdk-home-configure-switch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have it installed to in windows, but something must go differently. Will push this hunk for you asap
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The unittest++ targets are for plugin only,. You should not even hit them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Without my changes i get the following error when i make "make clean".
>>>>>>>>>> "make: *** No rule to make target 'clean-unittest++', needed by
>>>>>>>>>> 'clean-tests'. Stop."
>>>>>>>>>> clean-unittest++ is commented out in the generated Makefile because i
>>>>>>>>>> build without native plugin.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hm interesting, I'm running cleanow and iot works. Anyway will test you changeset, and if ti do not
>>>>>>>>> break anything (which I dubt) will push it for you asap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dunce is an problem - ITW, being distribution friendly, can not rely on random cargo pulled from
>>>>>>>>>>>> web. Sorry. If it is really doing such a troubles, then I'm afraid it must go in in way, it can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> ifouted on linxu. Do you mind to elaborate on this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you have an jdk on windows without registry entries and set without
>>>>>>>>>> JAVA_HOME, than jdk from path is trying. This path is canonicalized and
>>>>>>>>>> leads to an unc-path. I have in a test spawn() persuaded (with
>>>>>>>>>> current_dir) to use this unc-path, but java.exe don't like unc-path in
>>>>>>>>>> his classpath.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Last hint - if I install JDK on windows. Will it still be found in registry in way you changed the
>>>>>>>>>>>> search?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When you install openjdk with ojdkbuild it will be found. When you
>>>>>>>>>> install oracle-jdk and you don't disable "Public JRE" in the installer,
>>>>>>>>>> than it would also be found.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok. Then I would suggest the following steps:
>>>>>>>>> - Does it have sense to check both jre and jsk keys? jre first, and jdk as fallback? If not, then
>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with ou jre from registy patch. Do you mind to post it as separate patch? In both cases
>>>>>>>>> (jre->jdk fallback, jre search only) I will push for you asap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Please provide dunce changeset as separate changeset. We have to discuss, how to make it
>>>>>>>>> disable-able.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please reconsider fx patch. I dont think it is necessary. If it is, I would liek to know your case.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanx!
>>>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lars Herschke
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Data-Service GmbH
>>>>>>>>>> Beethovenstraße 2a
>>>>>>>>>> 23617 Stockelsdorf
>>>>>>>>>> Amtsgericht Lübeck, HRB 318 BS
>>>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführung: Wilfried Paepcke, Dr. Andreas Longwitz,
>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Uwe Szyszka, Dr. Hans-Martin Rasch
>>>>>>>>>> Tel. (0451) 49 00-188
>>>>>>>>>> Fax. (0451) 49 00-123
>>>>>>>>>> e-mail: lhersch at dssgmbh.de
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jiri Vanek schrieb:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Lars!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for eyballing the windows state.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering why the acinclude hunk is necessary - Do you intend to ship..or whatever custom
>>>>>>>>>>> itw-binaries built on windows? The build is the only thing I do seriously on windows, and thus I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> wondering why I had never needed it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The unittest++ targets are for plugin only,. You should not even hit them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dunce is an problem - ITW, being distribution friendly, can not rely on random cargo pulled from
>>>>>>>>>>> web. Sorry. If it is really doing such a troubles, then I'm afraid it must go in in way, it can be
>>>>>>>>>>> ifouted on linxu. Do you mind to elaborate on this?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Last hint - if I install JDK on windows. Will it still be found in registry in way you changed the
>>>>>>>>>>> search?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hmm. The jfxrt is shameful bug, as the path is crippled also in shell and bat launchers an I keep
>>>>>>>>>>> wondering how it could hapened it was not hit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> again, thanx a lot for this set of fixes!
>>>>>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/5/19 11:32 AM, Lars Herschke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> attached a patch that cause the following changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> acinclude.m4:
>>>>>>>>>>>> - configure-switch --with-jdk-home acts on windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Makefile.am:
>>>>>>>>>>>> - windows-fix for changeset 1565:7010aa9d9309
>>>>>>>>>>>> - fixes for make clean with native plugin disabled
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> rust-launcher:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Use cannonicalize from crate dunce, because std::fs:canonicalize
>>>>>>>>>>>> return on windows unc-paths like this \\?\C:\foo. This paths doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> work with spawn() from std::process::Command.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Correct path for jfxrt.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Use JRE-path instead of JDK-path from registry and don't panic if
>>>>>>>>>>>> this regkey doesn't exist, because jfxrt.jar, rt.jar and nashorn.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>> are only in the JRE-directory on openjdk. In addition users, that
>>>>>>>>>>>> have only installed JRE don't have the JDK-regkey in your registry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lars Herschke
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Data-Service GmbH
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beethovenstraße 2a
>>>>>>>>>>>> 23617 Stockelsdorf
>>>>>>>>>>>> Amtsgericht Lübeck, HRB 318 BS
>>>>>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführung: Wilfried Paepcke, Dr. Andreas Longwitz,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Uwe Szyszka, Dr. Hans-Martin Rasch
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel. (0451) 49 00-188
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax. (0451) 49 00-123
>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail: lhersch at dssgmbh.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiri Vanek schrieb:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TYVM. Pushed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prerelase binraries will be updated on demand.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/25/19 10:39 AM, Olesya Gerasimenko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find attached the updated Russian translation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 22.02.2019 14:15, Jiri Vanek пишет:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please see the pre-release of icedtea-web 1.8: https://jvanek.fedorapeople.org/itw1.8/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can push it through your cases, it would be awesome. There are native portable builds for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both win and Linuxes. There is also multiplatform portable build based on shell/bat launchers only.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had also updated (not released!) fedora builds to this pre - see "fedora" text file:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While this prerelase is in testing, I would like to call alive translators - Russian and Czech - to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update theirs translations in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea-web/file/tip/netx/net/sourceforge/jnlp/resources/. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> addition, I will start backporting of non-native patches to 1.7 so 1.7.2 can follow 1.8 very soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.8 will be released once translations are in place. Of course anything wrong reported with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-released tarballs will be fixed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows testing:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * icedtea-web-1.8pre.portable.bin.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * icedtea-web-1.8pre.win.bin.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * itw-installer.msi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> + icedtea-web-1.8pre.tar.gz (sources for custom builds - optional)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> + https://jvanek.fedorapeople.org/itw1.8/icedtea-web-docs/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux testng:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * iccedtea-web-1.8pre.linux.bin.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * icedtea-web-1.8pre.portable.bin.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * icedtea-web-1.8pre.tar.gz (sources for distributions and custom builds - mandatory)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * fedora
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> + https://jvanek.fedorapeople.org/itw1.8/icedtea-web-docs/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note for JRE search:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * windows shell scripts reads java_home or or registry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * linux shell scripts reads java_home or defualt system jdk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * native launchers reads in addition system paths
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TBH, I doubt I covered all combinations when I run my suites
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cases (if you have lack of them, but many of them may be already dead):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * https://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web-Tests#javaws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/IcedTea-Web-Tests#IcedTea-Web_webstart_.28javaws.29_test_applications
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Known bugs:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3705 --- Webstarted application tries to load resources from server incorrectly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3704 --- IcedTeaWeb doesn't run SAP PI web start interface - LAZY_CLASSLOADING_FAILED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3697 --- Custom JRE/JDK within UTF-8 folder name ( key deployment.jre.dir in in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deployment.properties ) are not properly handled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3689 --- DownloadService2 not implemented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3672 --- Classloader doesn't load jar correctly from JNLP extension
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3461 --- (still) Cannot run HP ILO4 remote console application
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows desktop shortcuts are suspected to not work with jdk11 and up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Linux side, except native launchers and few bug fixes, not much changed. But for windows support
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this is giant leap to be finally proper replacement for oracle javaws.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For 1.9 the plan is to remove plugin completely, and to move to github and under the wings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AdoptOpenJDK....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward for both positive and negative feedbacks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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