[External] : Re: Be wary: --enable-native-access is breaking integrity

[Holo The Sage Wolf]

I'll also add that **a lot** of people just don't know about @file (and it
is very hard to find documentation about this without already knowing about
the feature), but this is completely separate problem.


On Tue, Aug 29, 2023, 20:14 Attila Kelemen <attila.kelemen85 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>> I think we should tone down the level of uproar about a flag. Flags is
>> how Java is configured. We offer jlink and @files as means of storing and
>> sharing such command line configurations.
>>
>> I mean, I’m certain there are people out there who find typing the
>> character ‘{‘ difficult, but these people aren’t using Java. A Java
>> programmer probably sets the command line several times a week. If setting
>> the command line is “pain” that’s sufficient to force people to leave Java,
>> then those people would have left a long time ago. So yes, there’s a very
>> minor inconvenience involved, and we can spend more time explaining why
>> it’s needed, but let’s not turn this into a high stakes thing. Also,
>> between asking people to add flags we also deliver things like FFM and
>> virtual threads and records, so let’s not try to present this like it’s
>> some end of the world. Among all the things we’re delivering we’re also
>> imposing some minor inconvenience from time to time when we think it’s
>> absolutely necessary. You don’t have to agree that it’s necessary, but I
>> think it’s pretty clear that it’s not that big of a pain.
>>
>>
> While it is obviously not a world ending disaster, it is more painful than
> what you give credit for, because you assume there are all these
> nicely structured applications out there, where you can just add this new
> flag to the many. Sadly, that is often not the case. There are extremely
> many cases where people are just calling "java" directly left and right
> copy pasting the JVM arguments. While this is arguably a fault of those
> applications, it will be a very tough sell to them (certainly they won't
> fault themselves). And I already have a hard time convincing people to
> please upgrade, and you are just giving them an additional reason to delay
> it. Also, I have my ulterior motives as well: If you allow them to make it
> considerably less painful through modules, then it will be easier to
> convince people who are still not using modules to finally do (I can use it
> as a carrot).
>
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