Why is the windows runtime/sdk only provided as .exe
Daniel Zwolenski
zonski at googlemail.com
Wed May 9 15:51:27 PDT 2012
+1
The deployment conversation went dead (again) so we're not moving forward but based on below it seems we are moving backwards. I'd just started exploring packaging options based around these zips but it seems that path is closed too.
I wish I could understand the logic behind the lack of interest/urgency on all this. Do you guys not agree that it is important/urgent, not care or is just too hard?
On 10/05/2012, at 8:27 AM, Tom Schindl <tom.schindl at bestsolution.at> wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> I'm replying here because I think more people who are interested in zips
> (e.g. anyone using maven!) are listening here.
>
> So you are stating in the bug that no zips will be provided anymore
> which I think is a very disappointing situation - I will and have to
> accept it.
>
> If you read through the mailing list threads how Richard, Jasper, ...
> advised to deploy JavaFX application they always stated that one should
> bundle it with the application (probably with the JRE which is a no go
> when we talk about Webstart).
>
> Without providing zips you force me to have:
> * Win32
> * Mac OS X > 10.7.0
> * Linux (in future)
>
> to extract the fxjar + native libs to repackage in my custom app. I know
> I need them anyways to test, ... but forcing me to do it manually
> instead of simply providing zip downloads is ridiculous (and because of
> the licensing stuff I one person in the world would have done and wants
> to share it with the rest of us he/she is not allowed).
>
> For me as a tooling vendor your current decision gives me headaches
> because I want and need to support multiple different SDK-Install-Styles:
> * Dev Preview install (done through zips with the structure in there)
>
> * JDK-7-Installs
> => Not sure how they look like and I'm unable to test because I only
> have OS-X 10.6.8
>
> * JDK-6
>
> When we take a look into the future this JDK-Exe install kind of thing
> is a deadend road because you'll stop viewing the JDK/JRE as an all in
> one thing installable through one .exe because of jigsaw.
>
> Anyways I appreciate that you took a look but I'm not happy with it and
> hope I can find a way around it until then I can only point people to
> the JIRA entry when they want to use e(fx)clipse os OS-X.
>
> Can anyone here tell me how the OS-X JDK-7-Installation structure looks
> like? Where am I supposed to find:
> * the javafxrt.jar
> * the dlls
> * the fx-javadoc
>
> Tom
>
> Am 08.05.12 15:43, schrieb Tom Schindl:
>> Haveing the SDK-zips will solve all my current problems. Thanks for taking a Look.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>>
>> Am 08.05.2012 um 15:40 schrieb Kevin Rushforth <kevin.rushforth at oracle.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> I just looked and you are right...only see the .exe files were released for 2.1. I will check into this and get back to you.
>>>
>>> The Mac issue will be trickier since we don't have any tested / supported standalone bundles of JavaFX 2.1 on Mac. As a released product JavaFX 2.1 for Mac is only available as part of JDK 7u4.
>>>
>>> -- Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Schindl wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kevin - can you take a look at this once more? Since the 2.1 release the
>>>> zips for the SDKs are not available anymore!
>>>>
>>>> One can only download the one for 2.2 so it looks like the dev-release
>>>> site was adjusted but the GA site not.
>>>>
>>>> For those of use doing cross platform development and packaging JavaFX
>>>> with their apps getting geting the releases as zips is something really
>>>> important.
>>>>
>>>> Sidenote: Even worse because I'm still on OS-X 10.6.8 I can't even
>>>> install JavaFX because the JDK-7 release requires at least 10.7.0 (I
>>>> know you are not support JavaFX prior to JDK 7)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> Am 04.01.12 17:37, schrieb Kevin Rushforth:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, maybe we don't actually release the SDK on the public web page
>>>>> either (I knew we didn't release the runtime as a zip since we don't
>>>>> even generate it internally).
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Kevin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Schindl wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well maybe I'm blind but for win32 the there is NO zip available from
>>>>>> this page [1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing available currently as a zip is the OS-X SDK version
>>>>>> which misses the win32 native libs not? I'll file a JIRA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javafx/downloads/devpreview-1429449.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 04.01.12 17:22, schrieb Kevin Rushforth:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good question. The SDK is available as both an installer and a zip, and
>>>>>>> we could consider make the runtime available as a zip file as well, so
>>>>>>> please file a JIRA feature request for this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for your other question, it is not currently possible to have 2.0.2
>>>>>>> and 2.1 instaled side-by-side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Kevin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom Schindl wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now that since 2.0.2 (and also 2.1) are redistributeable it might make
>>>>>>>> sense to provide them also as simple ZIP-Files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I find it odd that if I want to package JavaFX with my product that I
>>>>>>>> first have to install something only my system, navigate to the install
>>>>>>>> dir and copy over the stuff my own project directory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it BTW possible to have 2.1 and 2.0.2 installed next to each other? I
>>>>>>>> guess not which makes it hard to test with both versions on the same
>>>>>>>> system, which would be made much more easy if provided as simple
>>>>>>>> ZIP-Files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would you mind providing JavaFX 2.1 binaries (and maybe also > 2.0.2) as
>>>>>>>> a simple zip-File like you do it with 2.1 OS-X ones?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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