No JavaFX for iOS, Android or WP - why not?

[Tobias Bley]

There are two steps to go:

1. Porting Prism/glass to iOS
2. use AOT compiler

Both steps were finished in 2011 yet (http://java.dzone.com/articles/javaone-2011-javafx-20)






Am 09.10.2012 um 13:11 schrieb Peter Pilgrim <peter.pilgrim at gmail.com>:

> Hi
> 
> On the other hand, the whole of JavaFX is going to be open sourced by 2013.
> So what it stopping someone porting the lower architecture to iOS?
> Therefore one strategy is to wait until the open source is there and
> then port it and write the bridging layer between Java and native
> Apple libraries, which I guess would be Objective C. I don't know
> really. Of course, that would require expertise in Apple native
> libraries. Nevertheless it can be done by somebody. The hard part is
> bundling a JRE into a form that can run in iOS app store, and also the
> pass by the gatekeeper.
> 
> On 9 October 2012 01:23, Tobias Bley <tobi at ultramixer.com> wrote:
>> John, many thanks for your post! I absolutely agree with you. JavaFX without real(!) crossplatform support on the major platforms is an absolutely MUST HAVE. I can't understand Oracles point of view ("we don't know if developers and companies have a real interested in JavaFX2 on mobile) too - that's unbelievable!
>> 
>> John, please write to Richard Bair, he wants to know our opinion about this topic!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Tobi
>> 
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>> Am 09.10.2012 um 10:18 schrieb "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>:
>> 
>>> Hi Tobi,
>>> 
>>> I realise it's not an official Oracle statement but that's part of the
>>> problem; Oracle didn't make an official statement on this at JavaOne when I
>>> suspect many people were hoping for one.  In fact, I seem to remember a
>>> session titled something like "JavaFX on iOS" was being tossed around for
>>> possible inclusion in this year's JavaOne some time ago.
>>> 
>>> It's blatantly clear that Java developers *crave* JavaFX on mobiles and yet
>>> Oracle are waiting for clear commercial interest to justify such support?
>>> As has been pointed out several times, JavaFX cannot be considered a success
>>> if it is limited to the scope of the desktop and perhaps some embedded
>>> devices.  Many predict that the PC in its current form will largely
>>> disappear in the next 5 years so where would that leave JavaFX?
>>> 
>>> Java developers are largely passionate about their language and do not want
>>> to learn Objective C or C# or whatever language is required on each device.
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, being able to code in Java and deploy to Windows, Linux,
>>> MacOS, iOS, Android, Metro etc. could propel JavaFX to amazing heights as
>>> the best platform for client side software development on the planet.
>>> Please Oracle, don't miss this enormous opportunity!  What do we have to do
>>> to convince you that this REALLY IS A GOOD IDEA?
>>> 
>>> -jct
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tobias Bley [mailto:tobi at ultramixer.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:10
>>> To: John C. Turnbull
>>> Cc: openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net
>>> Subject: Re: No JavaFX for iOS, Android or WP - why not?
>>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> 
>>> first of all: that's not an official press release of Oracle...
>>> 
>>> second: please take part of the current discussion on JavaFX forum about
>>> "JavaFX on iOS, Android and Windows 8":
>>> https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2448461&tstart=0
>>> 
>>> Richard Bair there asked for developers and companies who have a real
>>> (commercial) interested in using JavaFX on iOS.... So please please write
>>> Richard an email to show him your real interested.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tobi
>>> 
>>> blog.software4java.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 09.10.2012 um 08:24 schrieb "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>:
>>> 
>>>> I didn't have the pleasure of being at JavaOne but in a blog by Lucas
>>>> Jellema (and retweeted by Nicolas Lorain) the following is stated:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "JavaFX is no longer intended for use on SmartPhones. The iPhone,
>>>> Android and Windows Mobile phones are provided by the respective
>>>> platforms, there is no room there for JavaFX. JavaFX is targeted at
>>>> the desktop to replace Swing and at smaller devices that run embedded
>>> Java."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This is extremely disappointing especially after having seen demos of
>>>> JavaFX running on iOS and Android devices.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Can someone explain why this decision has been made?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -jct
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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