No JavaFX for iOS, Android or WP - why not?

Tue Oct 9 07:01:35 PDT 2012

https://forums.oracle.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=10623319#10623319

Community minus 1 from me if this issue goes the way it's going. The make or break issue has always been and will always be deployment and that includes desktop and mobile. After a year or two making noise about this we're going backwards. 

Anyone remember why Java became so popular? Remember write-once-run-anywhere? Now it's write once, go through as much build hassles as an old fashioned c++ app for each platform (and variant) and run on even less platforms than c++ will work on. 

Can't decide if I'm more frustrated, angry or sad. 

On 09/10/2012, at 10:25 PM, Tobias Bley <tobi at ultramixer.com> wrote:

> There are two steps to go:
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> 1. Porting Prism/glass to iOS
> 2. use AOT compiler
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> Both steps were finished in 2011 yet (http://java.dzone.com/articles/javaone-2011-javafx-20)
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> Am 09.10.2012 um 13:11 schrieb Peter Pilgrim <peter.pilgrim at gmail.com>:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> On the other hand, the whole of JavaFX is going to be open sourced by 2013.
>> So what it stopping someone porting the lower architecture to iOS?
>> Therefore one strategy is to wait until the open source is there and
>> then port it and write the bridging layer between Java and native
>> Apple libraries, which I guess would be Objective C. I don't know
>> really. Of course, that would require expertise in Apple native
>> libraries. Nevertheless it can be done by somebody. The hard part is
>> bundling a JRE into a form that can run in iOS app store, and also the
>> pass by the gatekeeper.
>> 
>> On 9 October 2012 01:23, Tobias Bley <tobi at ultramixer.com> wrote:
>>> John, many thanks for your post! I absolutely agree with you. JavaFX without real(!) crossplatform support on the major platforms is an absolutely MUST HAVE. I can't understand Oracles point of view ("we don't know if developers and companies have a real interested in JavaFX2 on mobile) too - that's unbelievable!
>>> 
>>> John, please write to Richard Bair, he wants to know our opinion about this topic!
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Tobi
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Am 09.10.2012 um 10:18 schrieb "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Tobi,
>>>> 
>>>> I realise it's not an official Oracle statement but that's part of the
>>>> problem; Oracle didn't make an official statement on this at JavaOne when I
>>>> suspect many people were hoping for one.  In fact, I seem to remember a
>>>> session titled something like "JavaFX on iOS" was being tossed around for
>>>> possible inclusion in this year's JavaOne some time ago.
>>>> 
>>>> It's blatantly clear that Java developers *crave* JavaFX on mobiles and yet
>>>> Oracle are waiting for clear commercial interest to justify such support?
>>>> As has been pointed out several times, JavaFX cannot be considered a success
>>>> if it is limited to the scope of the desktop and perhaps some embedded
>>>> devices.  Many predict that the PC in its current form will largely
>>>> disappear in the next 5 years so where would that leave JavaFX?
>>>> 
>>>> Java developers are largely passionate about their language and do not want
>>>> to learn Objective C or C# or whatever language is required on each device.
>>>> 
>>>> In my opinion, being able to code in Java and deploy to Windows, Linux,
>>>> MacOS, iOS, Android, Metro etc. could propel JavaFX to amazing heights as
>>>> the best platform for client side software development on the planet.
>>>> Please Oracle, don't miss this enormous opportunity!  What do we have to do
>>>> to convince you that this REALLY IS A GOOD IDEA?
>>>> 
>>>> -jct
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tobias Bley [mailto:tobi at ultramixer.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:10
>>>> To: John C. Turnbull
>>>> Cc: openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net
>>>> Subject: Re: No JavaFX for iOS, Android or WP - why not?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>> 
>>>> first of all: that's not an official press release of Oracle...
>>>> 
>>>> second: please take part of the current discussion on JavaFX forum about
>>>> "JavaFX on iOS, Android and Windows 8":
>>>> https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2448461&tstart=0
>>>> 
>>>> Richard Bair there asked for developers and companies who have a real
>>>> (commercial) interested in using JavaFX on iOS.... So please please write
>>>> Richard an email to show him your real interested.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Tobi
>>>> 
>>>> blog.software4java.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Am 09.10.2012 um 08:24 schrieb "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>:
>>>> 
>>>>> I didn't have the pleasure of being at JavaOne but in a blog by Lucas
>>>>> Jellema (and retweeted by Nicolas Lorain) the following is stated:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> "JavaFX is no longer intended for use on SmartPhones. The iPhone,
>>>>> Android and Windows Mobile phones are provided by the respective
>>>>> platforms, there is no room there for JavaFX. JavaFX is targeted at
>>>>> the desktop to replace Swing and at smaller devices that run embedded
>>>> Java."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is extremely disappointing especially after having seen demos of
>>>>> JavaFX running on iOS and Android devices.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can someone explain why this decision has been made?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -jct
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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>> services, London, UK
>> 
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