No JavaFX for iOS, Android or WP - why not?

Tue Oct 9 07:43:42 PDT 2012

Everyone knows from the begining Oracle does not give a shit about the
community. They have already shown that attitude in multiple
occasions.
Actually the fact that java has a community based development model
(which they are legally obliged to follow, otherwise they would lose
patent rights owned by multiple corporates and individuals) is
something they consider a pain point.

However they do not hesitate to try to unofficially sabotage the
community process of java. In modern times, anything that is not
community driven is doomed to die off slowly, same seems to be the
fate of java eventually.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Tobias Bley <tobi at ultramixer.com> wrote:
> We all don't know the official Oracle plan! But IMO the kind of communication of Oracle (we say nothing)  is the real pain...sorry.
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> Am 09.10.2012 um 16:01 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski <zonski at gmail.com>:
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>> https://forums.oracle.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=10623319#10623319
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>> Community minus 1 from me if this issue goes the way it's going. The make or break issue has always been and will always be deployment and that includes desktop and mobile. After a year or two making noise about this we're going backwards.
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>> Anyone remember why Java became so popular? Remember write-once-run-anywhere? Now it's write once, go through as much build hassles as an old fashioned c++ app for each platform (and variant) and run on even less platforms than c++ will work on.
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>> Can't decide if I'm more frustrated, angry or sad.
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>> On 09/10/2012, at 10:25 PM, Tobias Bley <tobi at ultramixer.com> wrote:
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>>> There are two steps to go:
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>>> 1. Porting Prism/glass to iOS
>>> 2. use AOT compiler
>>>
>>> Both steps were finished in 2011 yet (http://java.dzone.com/articles/javaone-2011-javafx-20)
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>>> Am 09.10.2012 um 13:11 schrieb Peter Pilgrim <peter.pilgrim at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, the whole of JavaFX is going to be open sourced by 2013.
>>>> So what it stopping someone porting the lower architecture to iOS?
>>>> Therefore one strategy is to wait until the open source is there and
>>>> then port it and write the bridging layer between Java and native
>>>> Apple libraries, which I guess would be Objective C. I don't know
>>>> really. Of course, that would require expertise in Apple native
>>>> libraries. Nevertheless it can be done by somebody. The hard part is
>>>> bundling a JRE into a form that can run in iOS app store, and also the
>>>> pass by the gatekeeper.
>>>>
>>>> On 9 October 2012 01:23, Tobias Bley <tobi at ultramixer.com> wrote:
>>>>> John, many thanks for your post! I absolutely agree with you. JavaFX without real(!) crossplatform support on the major platforms is an absolutely MUST HAVE. I can't understand Oracles point of view ("we don't know if developers and companies have a real interested in JavaFX2 on mobile) too - that's unbelievable!
>>>>>
>>>>> John, please write to Richard Bair, he wants to know our opinion about this topic!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> Am 09.10.2012 um 10:18 schrieb "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tobi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I realise it's not an official Oracle statement but that's part of the
>>>>>> problem; Oracle didn't make an official statement on this at JavaOne when I
>>>>>> suspect many people were hoping for one.  In fact, I seem to remember a
>>>>>> session titled something like "JavaFX on iOS" was being tossed around for
>>>>>> possible inclusion in this year's JavaOne some time ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's blatantly clear that Java developers *crave* JavaFX on mobiles and yet
>>>>>> Oracle are waiting for clear commercial interest to justify such support?
>>>>>> As has been pointed out several times, JavaFX cannot be considered a success
>>>>>> if it is limited to the scope of the desktop and perhaps some embedded
>>>>>> devices.  Many predict that the PC in its current form will largely
>>>>>> disappear in the next 5 years so where would that leave JavaFX?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Java developers are largely passionate about their language and do not want
>>>>>> to learn Objective C or C# or whatever language is required on each device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my opinion, being able to code in Java and deploy to Windows, Linux,
>>>>>> MacOS, iOS, Android, Metro etc. could propel JavaFX to amazing heights as
>>>>>> the best platform for client side software development on the planet.
>>>>>> Please Oracle, don't miss this enormous opportunity!  What do we have to do
>>>>>> to convince you that this REALLY IS A GOOD IDEA?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -jct
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Tobias Bley [mailto:tobi at ultramixer.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:10
>>>>>> To: John C. Turnbull
>>>>>> Cc: openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net
>>>>>> Subject: Re: No JavaFX for iOS, Android or WP - why not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> first of all: that's not an official press release of Oracle...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> second: please take part of the current discussion on JavaFX forum about
>>>>>> "JavaFX on iOS, Android and Windows 8":
>>>>>> https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2448461&tstart=0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Bair there asked for developers and companies who have a real
>>>>>> (commercial) interested in using JavaFX on iOS.... So please please write
>>>>>> Richard an email to show him your real interested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Tobi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> blog.software4java.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Am 09.10.2012 um 08:24 schrieb "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't have the pleasure of being at JavaOne but in a blog by Lucas
>>>>>>> Jellema (and retweeted by Nicolas Lorain) the following is stated:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "JavaFX is no longer intended for use on SmartPhones. The iPhone,
>>>>>>> Android and Windows Mobile phones are provided by the respective
>>>>>>> platforms, there is no room there for JavaFX. JavaFX is targeted at
>>>>>>> the desktop to replace Swing and at smaller devices that run embedded
>>>>>> Java."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is extremely disappointing especially after having seen demos of
>>>>>>> JavaFX running on iOS and Android devices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can someone explain why this decision has been made?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -jct
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> **Java Champion**,
>>>> Java EE Software Development / Design / Architect for financial
>>>> services, London, UK
>>>>
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