No JavaFX for iOS, Android or WP - why not?

Tobias Bley tobi at ultramixer.com
Tue Oct 9 07:06:14 PDT 2012 

We all don't know the official Oracle plan! But IMO the kind of communication of Oracle (we say nothing)  is the real pain...sorry.



Am 09.10.2012 um 16:01 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski <zonski at gmail.com>:

> https://forums.oracle.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=10623319#10623319
> 
> Community minus 1 from me if this issue goes the way it's going. The make or break issue has always been and will always be deployment and that includes desktop and mobile. After a year or two making noise about this we're going backwards. 
> 
> Anyone remember why Java became so popular? Remember write-once-run-anywhere? Now it's write once, go through as much build hassles as an old fashioned c++ app for each platform (and variant) and run on even less platforms than c++ will work on. 
> 
> Can't decide if I'm more frustrated, angry or sad. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/10/2012, at 10:25 PM, Tobias Bley <tobi at ultramixer.com> wrote:
> 
>> There are two steps to go:
>> 
>> 1. Porting Prism/glass to iOS
>> 2. use AOT compiler
>> 
>> Both steps were finished in 2011 yet (http://java.dzone.com/articles/javaone-2011-javafx-20)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 09.10.2012 um 13:11 schrieb Peter Pilgrim <peter.pilgrim at gmail.com>:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> On the other hand, the whole of JavaFX is going to be open sourced by 2013.
>>> So what it stopping someone porting the lower architecture to iOS?
>>> Therefore one strategy is to wait until the open source is there and
>>> then port it and write the bridging layer between Java and native
>>> Apple libraries, which I guess would be Objective C. I don't know
>>> really. Of course, that would require expertise in Apple native
>>> libraries. Nevertheless it can be done by somebody. The hard part is
>>> bundling a JRE into a form that can run in iOS app store, and also the
>>> pass by the gatekeeper.
>>> 
>>> On 9 October 2012 01:23, Tobias Bley <tobi at ultramixer.com> wrote:
>>>> John, many thanks for your post! I absolutely agree with you. JavaFX without real(!) crossplatform support on the major platforms is an absolutely MUST HAVE. I can't understand Oracles point of view ("we don't know if developers and companies have a real interested in JavaFX2 on mobile) too - that's unbelievable!
>>>> 
>>>> John, please write to Richard Bair, he wants to know our opinion about this topic!
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Tobi
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> Am 09.10.2012 um 10:18 schrieb "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Tobi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I realise it's not an official Oracle statement but that's part of the
>>>>> problem; Oracle didn't make an official statement on this at JavaOne when I
>>>>> suspect many people were hoping for one.  In fact, I seem to remember a
>>>>> session titled something like "JavaFX on iOS" was being tossed around for
>>>>> possible inclusion in this year's JavaOne some time ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's blatantly clear that Java developers *crave* JavaFX on mobiles and yet
>>>>> Oracle are waiting for clear commercial interest to justify such support?
>>>>> As has been pointed out several times, JavaFX cannot be considered a success
>>>>> if it is limited to the scope of the desktop and perhaps some embedded
>>>>> devices.  Many predict that the PC in its current form will largely
>>>>> disappear in the next 5 years so where would that leave JavaFX?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Java developers are largely passionate about their language and do not want
>>>>> to learn Objective C or C# or whatever language is required on each device.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In my opinion, being able to code in Java and deploy to Windows, Linux,
>>>>> MacOS, iOS, Android, Metro etc. could propel JavaFX to amazing heights as
>>>>> the best platform for client side software development on the planet.
>>>>> Please Oracle, don't miss this enormous opportunity!  What do we have to do
>>>>> to convince you that this REALLY IS A GOOD IDEA?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -jct
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Tobias Bley [mailto:tobi at ultramixer.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:10
>>>>> To: John C. Turnbull
>>>>> Cc: openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: No JavaFX for iOS, Android or WP - why not?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> first of all: that's not an official press release of Oracle...
>>>>> 
>>>>> second: please take part of the current discussion on JavaFX forum about
>>>>> "JavaFX on iOS, Android and Windows 8":
>>>>> https://forums.oracle.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=2448461&tstart=0
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard Bair there asked for developers and companies who have a real
>>>>> (commercial) interested in using JavaFX on iOS.... So please please write
>>>>> Richard an email to show him your real interested.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Tobi
>>>>> 
>>>>> blog.software4java.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 09.10.2012 um 08:24 schrieb "John C. Turnbull" <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I didn't have the pleasure of being at JavaOne but in a blog by Lucas
>>>>>> Jellema (and retweeted by Nicolas Lorain) the following is stated:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "JavaFX is no longer intended for use on SmartPhones. The iPhone,
>>>>>> Android and Windows Mobile phones are provided by the respective
>>>>>> platforms, there is no room there for JavaFX. JavaFX is targeted at
>>>>>> the desktop to replace Swing and at smaller devices that run embedded
>>>>> Java."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is extremely disappointing especially after having seen demos of
>>>>>> JavaFX running on iOS and Android devices.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can someone explain why this decision has been made?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -jct
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Java EE Software Development / Design / Architect for financial
>>> services, London, UK
>>> 
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>>

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