JavaFX for the Enterprise - Working Group

[Mark Claassen]

I am not as concerned in the "bridge" as I am in the framework.  Although I
agree a bridge is necessary, and would like it to work well.

My comment is more about being on a track to where someone could
(eventually) build Netbeans from scratch using only JavaFX.  The customized
window behavior, the Drag and Drop, the little tooltip-like popup windows
used in the tree renderers to show the text that is not visible because of
the visible bounds of the tree, ... all of it.

What about the document model?  The Swing javax.swing.text.Document
interface is pretty powerful.  The way it seems implemented in JavaFX does
not seem nearly as powerful, or as pluggable.

Mark

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Mario Torre <
neugens.limasoftware at gmail.com> wrote:

> """
> This thread is interesting. I've seen at J1 some tools using JavaFX
> with the SWT bridge. The Swing one will also work equally well. We
> also have (we need to put some love to make it work on 2.2
> """
>
> Somehow this got cut, I meant:
>
> This thread is interesting. I've seen at J1 some tools using JavaFX
> with the SWT bridge. The Swing one will also work equally well. We
> also have (we need to put some love to make it work on 2.2) that
> can be used to embed Swing on top of JavaFX (the other way around).
>
> Cheers,
> Mario
>
> 2012/10/17 Mario Torre <neugens.limasoftware at gmail.com>:
> > 2012/10/17 Mark Claassen <markclaassenx at gmail.com>:
> >> I joined this list a few days ago because I wanted to start contributing
> >> So far, I am not sure it is quite where I should be.  I would like to
> >> discuss more about the components (table, list boxes, ...).  I am not
> >> exactly sure where to do that.
> >
> > You just unfortunately ended up subscribing to this list in the middle
> > of a storm :)
> >
> > But this list has been used in the past to discuss components and
> > details of the implementation, so this is definitely the right place
> > to start discussing those things.
> >
> > @Richard: Perhaps it would be more fun to simply have a list dedicated
> > to flaming Oracle for supporting HTML 5 rather than JavaFX :)
> >
> >> However, I will add here that I started (a very short-lived) thread on
> the
> >> netbeans user list along these lines.  Basically what I was saying was
> that
> >> Netbeans is a wonderful UI built on Swing.  Could this same project be
> done
> >> in JavaFX?  Maybe not yet, but could it be in the future?  It seems like
> >> the JavaFX team could get a lot of advice and requirements from the
> >> netbeans team.
> >>
> >> http://forums.netbeans.org/topic51717.html
> >
> > This thread is interesting. I've seen at J1 some tools using JavaFX
> > with the SWT bridge. The Swing one will also work equally well. We
> > also have (we need to put some love to make it work on 2.2
> >
> > The big trouble is #2, this will only work if:
> >
> > 1. Netbeans can ship JavaFX
> > 2. JavaFX is included in any major OpenJDK/JDK releases (that means,
> > including distribution related IcedTea builds).
> >
> > For both options, JavaFX needs to be fully Open Sourced, or even
> > NetBeans will fall back into non free bits, so I agree with them.
> >
> >> Some of the main data structures, like the ObservableList, make me
> cringe.
> >> I created a similar structure 10 years ago and have since learned the
> error
> >> of my ways.  Granted, the JavaFX team has a lot more resources and
> >> experience than I did all those years ago, but from my point of view,
> there
> >> are dangerous waters ahead.
> >
> > I'm sure this is the kind of discussion mostly welcomed on this list,
> > after all, this is what makes it a community project.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mario
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