JavaFX port to iOS/Android status

[Danno Ferrin]

The real question in my mind is who has the audacity to submit a JavaOne
session based on a community JVM port on iOS and Android?  The pieces are
not there to get a good handle on the community port, but the (extended)
deadline for JavaOne is Tuesday.  This has the potential to be a standing
room only session with rockstar potential.

My plate is already quite full between work, my family, and other projects
I have planned, or I would have quietly submitted it already.  The odds are
whoever submits will be reporting on someone else's work for at least on of
the platforms.  If I don't hear anyone attempting it by Tuesday I may
overload myself or drop one of my side projects. I think it is that
important it be done by someone.


On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Daniel Zwolenski <zonski at gmail.com> wrote:

> Richard,
>
> Thanks for the previous response.
>
> Are you able to tell us the strategy you guys used for the JVM element in
> your prototypes to give us a potential starting point? Eg did you guys make
> it run on Dalvik or use XMLVM or take some other path?
>
> If there's some legal blocker to giving us this info then perhaps a
> general comment along the lines of 'an approach that may be of particular
> interest is X' would be sufficient.
>
> John (or anyone), if you come up with a strategy you think may be worth a
> shot let us know. As I've said before (to the point of being annoying), I
> think mobile support (along with good deployment options) is key to jfx
> adoption and survival and so I'm keen to see it develop. This area of
> native/porting is not something I've got a lot of experience in though so
> I'd be looking for someone else to lead but I'd be willing to help where I
> can.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> On 21/04/2013, at 8:35 PM, Herve Girod <herve.girod at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Hi Richard,
> >>
> >> I knew nothing about XMLVM but my first cursory looks suggests it is
> >> nothing
> >> more than a way to represent a byte-code based application in a generic
> way
> >> so that it may be easily ported to any architecture.  Given that the JVM
> >> itself is not actually a Java byte-code application, how is this going
> to
> >> help with porting it?
> >>
> >
> > I am far from knowledgeable on .NET, but I suggest looking how Mono is
> > working on Android and iOS. See here for example:
> > http://docs.xamarin.com/guides/android/advanced_topics/architecture
> >
> >
> >> Getting JavaFX to run on Dalvik may be an easier option but I have heard
> >> rumours that Google are seriously looking to remove Java (and
> "Java-like"
> >> technologies such as Dalvik) from all their products in response to the
> >> legal wrangling with Oracle.  I expect Java support in their software
> will
> >> be deprecated and eventually phased-out altogether with GWT's Java
> >> fundamentals for example being replaced with Dart and so on.  I
> wouldn't be
> >> surprised to see the Android SDK being based on C++ in the not so
> distant
> >> future (or maybe even yet another "new" language).
> >
> >
> > Maybe, but I think that if they do that, Google will be the first to
> "pay".
> > I don't think that Oracle get anything from the fact that Google use
> their
> > "proprietary" Java on Android, but rebuilding all what they have done
> > before on Dalvik in another language (and making sure it's working) will
> be
> > a LOT of work.
> >
> > Hervé
> >
> >
> > 2013/4/21 John C. Turnbull <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>
> >
> >> Hi Richard,
> >>
> >> I knew nothing about XMLVM but my first cursory looks suggests it is
> >> nothing
> >> more than a way to represent a byte-code based application in a generic
> way
> >> so that it may be easily ported to any architecture.  Given that the JVM
> >> itself is not actually a Java byte-code application, how is this going
> to
> >> help with porting it?
> >>
> >> Getting JavaFX to run on Dalvik may be an easier option but I have heard
> >> rumours that Google are seriously looking to remove Java (and
> "Java-like"
> >> technologies such as Dalvik) from all their products in response to the
> >> legal wrangling with Oracle.  I expect Java support in their software
> will
> >> be deprecated and eventually phased-out altogether with GWT's Java
> >> fundamentals for example being replaced with Dart and so on.  I
> wouldn't be
> >> surprised to see the Android SDK being based on C++ in the not so
> distant
> >> future (or maybe even yet another "new" language).  And it's not just
> >> Oracle
> >> that Google has in its sights with the recent news that they are
> abandoning
> >> WebKit in favour of Blink which would appear to be driven more from its
> >> competition with Apple that any genuine technological need.  Don't
> worry, I
> >> know you cannot comment on any of these issues ;-)
> >>
> >> I am going to do my own research into what is available that may be
> >> suitable
> >> to form the basis of an iOS/Android VM capable of running JavaFX
> >> applications and will report back when I have some concrete results.
> >>
> >> -jct
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Richard Bair [mailto:richard.bair at oracle.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, 20 April 2013 11:32
> >> To: John C. Turnbull
> >> Cc: openjfx-dev at openjdk.java.net
> >> Subject: Re: JavaFX port to iOS/Android status
> >>
> >> The remainder of the iOS and Android code is slated to go out (along
> with
> >> the rest of Prism) early next week if all goes well. But these ports
> don't
> >> include a VM, so somebody from "the outside" is going to have to get it
> up
> >> and running on Dalvik or XMLVM or something. Certainly *not* an
> >> insurmountable challenge for one so motivated ;-)
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >> On Apr 19, 2013, at 5:38 PM, John C. Turnbull <ozemale at ozemail.com.au>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What's the status of the JavaFX port to iOS and Android?  Has anyone
> >>> got seriously involved and started to make progress?  Is there someone
> >>> who is overseeing the project that I can contact?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -jct
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>



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