JavaFX at JavaOne 2014

[Johan Vos]

For those who worry, Applications created with the JavaFX Android SDK work
fine on ART (as expected). After all, we're following Android's rules.

- Johan


2014-06-23 20:31 GMT+02:00 John Smith <John_Smith at symantec.com>:

> I don't know much about Android, but does it have to be a VM, or could you
> use ART or an ART equivalent:
>
> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170677-android-art-google-finally-moves-to-replace-dalvik-to-boost-performance-and-battery-life
>   https://source.android.com/devices/tech/dalvik/art.html
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openjfx-dev [mailto:openjfx-dev-bounces at openjdk.java.net] On Behalf
> Of Herve Girod
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 8:20 AM
> To: Pedro Duque Vieira
> Cc: OpenJFX Mailing List
> Subject: Re: JavaFX at JavaOne 2014
>
> There are no reasons that JavaFX could not work well on mobile platforms,
> providing there is a JVM. I was convinced that mobile UI toolkits were very
> specific, but it's really not the case. Android UI Toolkit has really very
> few mobile specificities for example.
>
>
> 2014-06-23 16:46 GMT+02:00 Pedro Duque Vieira <pedro.duquevieira at gmail.com
> >:
>
> > >
> > > People have tried HTML5 as a way to create apps for mobile platforms.
> > Most
> > > of the big names who tried this e.g. Facebook have abandoned it.
> >
> > They've abandoned it but not because of the reasons you imply but
> > rather due to HTML5 limitations of providing a good native experience
> > in regards to performance, fluid animations, etc.
> > And also there's a reason why all of them started using HTML5 in the
> > first
> > place: faster delivery time. You only need a code base and with few
> > small adjustments can deliver an app for all mobile platforms. Later
> > you can start concentrating on delivering the best experience on each
> platform.
> >
> > BTW I don't think JavaFX can "fade away" given that it's starting from
> > > obscurity already ;) Truth is the world lacks a convincing cross
> > > platform UI toolkit at the moment:  there's Qt, which is fine for
> > > C++ but is not
> > so
> > > pleasant from other languages, there's Swing, there's HTML5.
> >
> > JavaFX is already undoubtedly one of the best cross platform (desktop
> > cross
> > platform)  UI toolkits out there.
> > But that isn't enough as desktop is becoming less and less important.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Mike Hearn <mike at plan99.net> wrote:
> >
> > > If it is correct that JavaFX won't be supporting iOS or Android
> > >> (officially), IMO JavaFX will start fading away as soon as there is
> > >> a reliable technology that can create apps for all platforms.
> > >
> > >
> > > People have tried HTML5 as a way to create apps for mobile platforms.
> > Most
> > > of the big names who tried this e.g. Facebook have abandoned it.
> > >
> > > Personally, I don't care much about JavaFX on Android or iOS because
> > > mobile has such different UI requirements and conventions to desktop
> > > platforms. I can write a JFX GUI that looks and feels good across
> > > Mac/Win/Linux with very little platform specific code because those
> > > platforms are all quite similar and anyway, the respective
> > > developers of those platforms trained users to expect apps to not fit
> in perfectly.
> > >
> > > On mobile, things are different: you can't just use a desktop UI,
> > > you
> > need
> > > a totally new UI and maybe even feature set built from scratch. On
> > Android
> > > the UI toolkit is closely linked with the lifecycle rules. And UI's
> > > tend
> > to
> > > be a lot more consistent, with the worst offenders being apps that
> > weren't
> > > updated to the latest UI conventions yet rather than apps which
> > > simply reinvent the look and feel from scratch.
> > >
> > > I'd actually prefer that Oracle focuses on making a great desktop
> > > solution. Hype aside there are still many apps not appropriate for
> > mobiles
> > > or tablets. Then with a Java or JVM-language backend I can have just
> > > two
> > UI
> > > codebases, one for desktop, one for Android and that gets most mobiles.
> > > Then RoboVM's Cocoa bindings can be used if need be for iOS.
> > >
> > > BTW I don't think JavaFX can "fade away" given that it's starting
> > > from obscurity already ;) Truth is the world lacks a convincing
> > > cross platform UI toolkit at the moment:  there's Qt, which is fine
> > > for C++ but is not
> > so
> > > pleasant from other languages, there's Swing, there's HTML5. Both
> > > Swing
> > and
> > > Qt have a reputation for making ugly GUI's. That may or may not be
> > deserved
> > > these days, but people remember the history. Plus deployment is
> horrible.
> > > That leaves HTML5, which despite its manifest limitations at least
> > > can be made to easily look good via CSS, follow modern fashions,
> > > work on everyone's computers and people don't have to download an
> > > extra app runtime. So for many apps it's appropriate especially when
> > > the bulk of
> > the
> > > app logic runs on a server.
> > >
> > > JavaFX 8, at least based on my experience so far, can be used to
> > > make attractive and web-style UIs, thus matching the first of
> > > HTML5's capabilities, plus it has the benefit of actually being
> > > designed, unlike HTML which just evolved. This leaves deployment as
> the primary problem.
> > For
> > > this reason Danno is my current fav member of the JavaFX team :)
> > > Nothing personal guys, I just see cross-platform deployment of
> > > *reasonable
> > sized* apps
> > > to be the biggest competitive weakness right now.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pedro Duque Vieira
> >
>