Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?

Mon Jun 13 10:37:42 UTC 2016

Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.

Only... it wasn't really, was it?

You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".

Great! *So why have you still not answered it?*

Let me put it another way *so as there can be no possible room for any
further confusion (hopefully)*.

*COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER PRODUCTS
USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH ORACLE MARKETS?*

Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your words,
not mine).

(Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be
abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping
for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how *incredibly enthusiastically
Oracle is advancing JavaFX*, I *know* there must be hundreds more examples
and I am sure we would all love to hear about them).  That would give us
all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you want that don't you?

See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career
plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX!

Am I *still* in the wrong forum?

All my blessings,

Felix

P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of?

On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com> wrote:

> Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your question:
>
> Yes, I have considered a career in politics.
>
> That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to divert[0]
> technical discussions in this community with off-topic posts, such as your
> contributions to this thread so far, where you attempted to discuss :
>
>  * the age of discussion participants,
>  * their telephony equipment and
>  * career plans,
>
> none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.
>
> Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list for a
> week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any, you'd like
> to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.
>
> As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing list is a
> net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself as well, judging
> by what seems to be an increasing amount of bitterness in your posts.
>
> You can change that.
>
> All the best,
> Dalibor Topic
>
> [0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/
>
>
> On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>
>> Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access to an
>> English language parser. I could translate my original question into
>> Klingon and resubmit if that would help.
>>
>> And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is devoted to
>> "ongoing OpenJFX development".  Clearly I was under the misapprehension
>> that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens.
>>
>> However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some clarification.
>>
>> Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss telephony
>> equipment used by other organisations because such information is
>> transparent and clearly indicates belief and commitment to their own
>> technologies.
>>
>> Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics?
>>
>> And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was
>> accidental)...
>>
>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able.
>>>
>>> Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, please
>>> consider that this mailing list is for discussion of ongoing OpenJFX
>>> development.
>>>
>>> If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, please do try to
>>> find a more suitable venue for discussion of such interests. While I can't
>>> help you find an adequate forum to discuss telephony equipment used by
>>> employees of other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a
>>> better place to do so in the future.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dalibor Topic
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>>> On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick <felix.bembrick at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.
>>>>
>>>> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs
>>>> on their desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?
>>>>
>>>> No?
>>>>
>>>> Well I bet Apple employees do!
>>>>
>>>> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by
>>>>> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
>>>>> showing 0 results.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> dalibor topic
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
>>>>>> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
>>>>>> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
>>>>>> <JDK>/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to
>>>>>> JDK
>>>>>> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
>>>>>> reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
>>>>>> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
>>>>>> determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our options are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
>>>>>> internal packages
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
>>>>>> one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with
>>>>>> -addmods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it
>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>> being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
>>>>>> the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
>>>>>> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will
>>>>>> deprecate
>>>>>> it with the intention to remove it in a future release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Kevin
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
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>>>>> <tel:+491737185961>
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>>>>> practices and products that help protect the environment
>>>>>
>>>>
> --
> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product Manager
> Phone: +494089091214 <tel:+494089091214> | Mobile: +491737185961
> <tel:+491737185961>
>
> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg
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> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG
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> <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing
> practices and products that help protect the environment
>