Anyone using JMX with JavaFX?
dalibor topic
dalibor.topic at oracle.com
Mon Jun 13 11:17:59 UTC 2016
Felix,
if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so at
https://community.oracle.com/welcome .
This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of Oracle's
products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development, specifically.
On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result in
removal from it without further warning.
cheers,
dalibor topic
On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote:
> Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response.
>
> Only... it wasn't really, was it?
>
> You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question".
>
> Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/*
>
> Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for any
> further confusion (hopefully)/*.
>
> */COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER
> PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH
> ORACLE MARKETS?/*
>
> Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your
> words, not mine).
>
> (Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be
> abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping
> for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how */incredibly
> enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX/*, I *know* there must be
> hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about
> them). That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you
> want that don't you?
>
> See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career
> plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX!
>
> Am I *still* in the wrong forum?
>
> All my blessings,
>
> Felix
>
> P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of?
>
>
>
> On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic <dalibor.topic at oracle.com
> <mailto:dalibor.topic at oracle.com>> wrote:
>
> Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your
> question:
>
> Yes, I have considered a career in politics.
>
> That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to
> divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic
> posts, such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you
> attempted to discuss :
>
> * the age of discussion participants,
> * their telephony equipment and
> * career plans,
>
> none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.
>
> Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list
> for a week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any,
> you'd like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.
>
> As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing
> list is a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself
> as well, judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of
> bitterness in your posts.
>
> You can change that.
>
> All the best,
> Dalibor Topic
>
> [0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/
>
>
> On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote:
>
> Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access
> to an English language parser. I could translate my original
> question into Klingon and resubmit if that would help.
>
> And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is
> devoted to "ongoing OpenJFX development". Clearly I was under
> the misapprehension that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens.
>
> However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some
> clarification.
>
> Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss
> telephony equipment used by other organisations because such
> information is transparent and clearly indicates belief and
> commitment to their own technologies.
>
> Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics?
>
> And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was
> accidental)...
>
> On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic
> <dalibor.topic at oracle.com <mailto:dalibor.topic at oracle.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able.
>
> Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that,
> please consider that this mailing list is for discussion of
> ongoing OpenJFX development.
>
> If instead you would prefer to discuss something else,
> please do try to find a more suitable venue for discussion
> of such interests. While I can't help you find an adequate
> forum to discuss telephony equipment used by employees of
> other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a
> better place to do so in the future.
>
> Cheers,
> Dalibor Topic
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> On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick
> <felix.bembrick at gmail.com
> <mailto:felix.bembrick at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.
>
> On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees
> all have Macs on their desktops and carry iPhones and
> iPads around?
>
> No?
>
> Well I bet Apple employees do!
>
> On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic
> <dalibor.topic at oracle.com
> <mailto:dalibor.topic at oracle.com>> wrote:
>
> I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely
> used, judging by
> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
> showing 0 results.
>
> cheers,
> dalibor topic
>
> On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
> As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped
> a JMX plugin as a
> separate jar file along with the JDK (not part
> of the JRE) in
> <JDK>/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this
> plugin stopped prior to JDK
> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship
> javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.
>
> Are there any developers that still use this? We
> haven't seen any bug
> reports or had questions on it for quite a
> while. I note that this jar
> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111
> and we are trying to
> determine how best to address this in JDK 9.
>
> Our options are:
>
> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support
>
> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file,
> meaning that any use would
> require command line qualified exports to be
> added since it uses
> internal packages
>
> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module,
> javafx.jmx; it would not be
> one of the default modules, so it would need to
> be added with -addmods.
>
> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work,
> and given that it isn't
> being actively maintained, might be a viable
> solution. If we do need to
> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3,
> while still preserving
> the ability for developers to use it. This is
> only used for tooling, so
> requiring qualified exports, as is done for
> Robot and
> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.
>
> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we
> probably will deprecate
> it with the intention to remove it in a future
> release.
>
> -- Kevin
>
>
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